oui LV, je crois que cela viens des traductions. Le coréen a dû être traduit en anglais puis anglais-français sans doute. "basic" en anglais faut dire "fondamental" ou sinon "rudimenaire"... et même avec traduction frnaçaise directe "bases" est plus proche de qqchose à "dépasé" que qqchose a travailler toute sa vie.
peace, oliv.

En même temps, Gibon signifie bien base, fondation, "racine". Mais comme toute maison, si les fondations ne sont pas bonnes, il ne sert pas à grand chose d'avoir la plus jolie toiture...

J'aime bien racine... car c'est vrai que toutes les techniques ne seront que des branches qui poussent de ces racines.

Bonjour;
ça y est
vidéo en ligne :

http://www.taekwondo44.com/index.php?page=photos-du-club

images un peu sombres bon.....
peace, oliv.

Tres sympa cette video.

Peux tu nous en dire plus sur le Kuhapdo ? (peut etre dans la section "autres arts martiaux coréeens" ?)

Bonjour LV, dsl je ne suis pas du tout callé sur le sujet. c'est du sabre bien sûr, equivalent du iaido japonais. le style créé par le jung ki kwan est le : Chung Suk Kuhapdo

info ici : http://www.jungkikwan.com/ (en bas colonne de gauche)
avec texte, videos etc...

et ici (école qui pratique aux pays-bas) : http://www.mudokwan.nl/ ("junk ki kwan" puis "kuhapdo")

je n'ai pas encore pratiqué, je pense m'y initier cet été... je sais juste qu'il travaille et échange avec un GM japonais très connu : Komei Sekiguchi
voilà.....

peace, oliv.

Le Geohapdo est du pur Iaidô de l'école Muso Jikiden Eishin Ryu. Ce sont d'ailleurs les mêmes idéogrammes (居合道). C'est donc bien une discipline distincte du Hapgido.

Re LV

(pour les érudits toute la lignée ici : http://www.mudokwan.nl/mj_history.htm)

mais déjà qqs détails si tu veux :



partie 1 :

Muso
Jikiden Eishin Ryu Kuhapdo

Muso Jikiden Eishin Ryu Kuhapdo (Iaijutsu) is a martial art of swordsmanship which emphasizes drawing and cutting with the samurai sword in a single fluid motion. Muso Jikiden Eishin Ryu Kuhapdo is a traditional martial art with a direct lineage back over 450 years to its founder, Hayashizaki Jinsuke Shigenobu, who developed this particular style of swordsmanship. Kuhapdo requires extreme precision of its techniques and demands tremendous concentration during practice both of which ask a great deal of self-discipline and sincere personal commitment on the part of the student in order to master. As a reward for these efforts, it can offer the individual a lifetime of physical, mental, and spiritual growth.

Timeline Yamauchi-ha Komei Sekiguchi

partie 2 : Chung Suk Ryu Kuhapdo It was written in old book that a "Hap-Ki" is a principle of power, stemming from counteracting between real swords. As a result of this principle, Grandmaster Lim, Hyun-Su joined an Oriental sword school in December, 1969. In those days, in the academy, a bamboo sword was used instead of a real sword. In 1975, Jung Gum Hae, a Society of the Sword Association was born at the Jung Ki Kwan. The members included Jung,Tae-Min, Lim,Hyun-Soo, Be,Chan-Han, Kim, Jae-Hyun, Som, Sung-Hak, Jo, Sung-Bum , Kim, Young-Gu , Park, Jong-Dea , Park, Sang-Yyun, Lee, Jae-Young, etc. By using only a bamboo sword in training, Grandmaster Lim realized that there we limitations to truly understanding swordsmanship. Thus in February 1982, to increase the momentum of the sword art, we promoted an exchange with Komei Sekiguchi, president of the Japanese Kuhapdo Association who is affiliated with Japanese traditional martial arts. In September, 1982, the Korean Kuhapdo Association was born. Members included the President Lee, Young-Pal (a former president of the Taegu Kumdo Association), Lim, Hyun-Soo (the headquarters director), Yoon, Byung-Il (a head coach), and others. In August 1984, President Komei Sekiguchi and three other masters visited the Jung Ki Kwan and agreed to exchange meetings and made a written statement in detail. In May 1985, Grandmaster Lim became the highest director of Kuhapdo in Korea. In November of the same year, he held the first Korean and Japanese friendship game at the Taegu Dongsan Hotel. This tournament brought much public attention to Kuhapdo and Kuhapdo started to become very popular. Since the opening of the Jung Ki Kwan in 1974, we have been devoting ourselves not only to the expand the spirit of Hapkido and Kuhapdo to the public, but also to search for traditional martial arts that our ancestors have developed which cost many their lives. In 1986, we released a Korean style Kuhapdo called Chung Suk Kuhapdo. We showed it to the Japanese Kuhapdoians at Toyko Marshall Hall on May 3, 1989. This event had a strong positive effect on the senior Japanese Kuhapdoians. Hanao, a representative of the Japanese Ancient Martial Arts Affliliation asked for an awakening effort of the Japanese Kuhapdoians to realize that there will be a time that we, Japanese should learn from the Korean Kuhapdo in the future. We, at the Jung Ki Kwan have been making every effort to present an original style of Korean swordsmanship and its morality based upon precise principle and theory. We, the Kuhapdoians have seen and studied the spirit of Kuahapdo from ancient "Beakje" people and their historical artifacts. We shall keep our minds and bodies strong, inheriting the spirit of traditional martial arts. We will follow the way of truthful martial arts for all of mankind.

Bonjour à vous
l'iw vient de m'arriver, je mets ça en forme pour le prochain tdk choc. il ne me manque juste que des photos en haute def
pour infos les questions ci-dessous :
bonne journée
peace, oliv.



ITW of GM LIM, Hyun Soo for "Taekwondo choc" in france


(about you-jkk)
1 - could you please introduce yourself

2 - what is your school's ( kwan) name ?

* what is the english traduction?
* what does it sands for ?
* can you tell a bit of JKK history ?
* do you teach any kind of weapons in your hapkido cursus ? which ones ? for which dan ?
* how many techniques in your hapkido ?
* i think youre the only hapkido school with bleue dobok ? what does that mean ?

3 - how many times did you learned with DJN CHOI ?

4 - Is your hapkido stricty the same than what DJN CHOI used to teach ?

5 - Are you in contact with members from the family of DJN CHOI

6 - what is your personnal goal with hapkido ?

7 - do you have any "missions" you want to achieve with the jungkikwan ? if so what are you going to do to succeed in those missions ?

8 -- is the JKK affilliated to any federation and why ?

9 - you also teach kuhapdo, call us tell about that martial art ?

10 - is it different from the japanese aido ?

11 - are you in contact with other hapkido (or others martial arts) schools ? which ones and what do you exchange ?

12 - what is the meaning of the JKK logo ?

13 - how many JKKwan dojangs in korea ? in the world ?


(about hapkido today)
1 - What do you think of the Korean Hapkido Federation ?

2 - how many kwan(s) in korea are teaching the exact style that DJN used to teach ?

3 - what do you think of other masters that claim to be direct students of CHOI Yong Sul, and claimed to his descendents like GM KIM Yun Sang for example. What are your relations with Kim yung san ?

4 - What do you think of hapkido today (quality, popularity) ?

5 - What CHOI students have you been with, that have become GMasters too ?

6 - is there any difference between your style of hapkido and other schools that are link to the hapkido of DJN CHOI like Hapkiyukwonsul / Hapkiyusul ?
if so what differences ? can you give examples ?

7 - same question between your style of hapkido and the other majors style in korea today ?

8 - What do you think of the evolution of hapkido considering what you teach ?

9 - do you have stories about hapkido to tell us (important, funny, sad) ?



(about GM JI han Jae)
1 - Are you ok to say that the name "hapkido" comes from GM JI han Jae ? if not who found it ?

2 - Do you know what dan DJN CHOI gave to JI han jae ? And what do you think of the achievement of Sin moo hapkido from GM Ji Han Jae ?



(about DJN CHOI)
1 - is that true the DJN CHOI learns all what he knew and teach from TAKEDA in japan ?

2- DJN CHOI said he lost the "menkyo kaiden" from daito ryu? And because there are no trace of DJN CHOI (or under his japanese name Yoshida Asao) in the daito ryu archive in japan, so some people refuse to believe DJN has really a menkyo kaiden from Takeda. Do you believe he really got it ?

3 - daito ryu have several parts : aiki-jutsu, ken-jutsu, .... do you what DJN learned ? Only the aiki-jutsu or also the others parts of the daito ryu ?

4 - Do you know what were the relationships between DJN CHOI and Takeda ?

5 - DJN CHOI said he learned all from takeda and changed nothing to his teachings. then i got 4 questions :
* shouldn't his art be called "Daito ryu aikijutsu" instead of hapkido ?
* what difference between DRAJutsu and hapkido ?
* what makes hapkido a korean art and not japanese art ?
* DRAJutsu had no dan systeme. When did CHOI introduce the dan system ?

6 - what name(s) does DJN CHOI first used for his teachings ?

7 - when does he start using "hapkido" ?

8 - does he had a strict curriculum for each dan ?

9 - what was his teaching likes ?

10 - does he includes weapons ? which ones for which dan ?

11 - how any students did recieved the entire knowledge frm DJN CHOI ? iv'e heard he gave only 2 people 9thdan and 10th dan only to Kang Myung Sik ?

12 - in an ITW, RIM Jong-Bae said that DJN CHOI and knock him out with out touching him with a kihap (to-ate in japanese). Did DJN CHOI ever teached this to you ?

13 - how many techniques in DJN CHOI hapkido ?

14 - Do you have something(s) important you want people to know about DJN ?

15 ) ITW is done, you can add what you want

vivement les reponses !

As tu la possibilité de me les envoyer en anglais par mp ?

Oui LV c'est prévu qu'une fois que l'article sera publié et que TKD choc aura fait ses "ventes' je mettrais la version hangeul + anglais sur le site
peace, oliv